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Astronomy => Astrophotography => Topic started by: Whitters on Feb 21, 2008, 23:30:10

Title: The Rosette Star Cluster NGC2244 and the Rosette Nebula NGC2237
Post by: Whitters on Feb 21, 2008, 23:30:10
NGC2237 & NGC2244  60 Minutes - MX916 - WO110 - Astronomic IRBlock

(http://www.axqo90.dsl.pipex.com/astro_images/2008/10_Feb_2008/NGC2244_80min_10FEB08.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rosette Star Cluster NGC2244 and the Rosette Nebula NGC2237
Post by: Fay on Apr 17, 2008, 15:23:20
Paul I really like this image. Really nice & focused. I have only just seen it.
Title: Re: The Rosette Star Cluster NGC2244 and the Rosette Nebula NGC2237
Post by: Mike on Apr 18, 2008, 10:33:55
Nice image Paul. can't wait to see that in colour !
Title: Re: The Rosette Star Cluster NGC2244 and the Rosette Nebula NGC2237
Post by: RobertM on Apr 18, 2008, 11:46:06
Yes it's the first time I've seen it too.  A really lovely image, looks almost 3d with the foreground stars.

Just a question in passing really but why have the brighter stars got what looks like a diffraction pattern ?

Thanks for bumping it Fay.

Title: Re: The Rosette Star Cluster NGC2244 and the Rosette Nebula NGC2237
Post by: Rick on Apr 18, 2008, 12:07:24
Quote from: RobertM on Apr 18, 2008, 11:46:06Just a question in passing really but why have the brighter stars got what looks like a diffraction pattern ?
It's a sign that the optics (and the viewing conditions) are excellent that you're only seeing them on the brightest stars.

If you want to determine what imperfections are present in a system, give it a very short high  intensity spike, and see what comes out at the other end. For an optical system a point source is what you want. Stars, being so far away, make good point sources. The brighter the point source, the more of the imperfections and the effects of plain old physics you'll see. So the bright stars are showing up things that the fainter stars aren't bright enough to reveal (because not enough light gets from them to the final detector via the off-axis paths...).
Title: Re: The Rosette Star Cluster NGC2244 and the Rosette Nebula NGC2237
Post by: Fay on Apr 18, 2008, 12:19:12
Paul, did you use a Ha filter? How long were the subs?

I'm jealous of your skies!!!!
Title: Re: The Rosette Star Cluster NGC2244 and the Rosette Nebula NGC2237
Post by: Mike on Apr 18, 2008, 12:43:35
Weird there is difraction spikes at all as it was done using a refractor.
Title: Re: The Rosette Star Cluster NGC2244 and the Rosette Nebula NGC2237
Post by: RobertM on Apr 18, 2008, 12:44:15
Thanks Rick I can understand that.  In this case then it's probable that there is some arrangement of three or six elements intruding into the light path.  I've seen that type of obstruction holding the objective lens in my guide scope.

Yes, I'm jealous too - must find a dark sky location or attend a DSC.  
Title: Re: The Rosette Star Cluster NGC2244 and the Rosette Nebula NGC2237
Post by: Mike on Apr 18, 2008, 12:55:08
It's possible it could be the arms holding the glass in place. If they intrude into the glass slightly that would be enough.
Title: Re: The Rosette Star Cluster NGC2244 and the Rosette Nebula NGC2237
Post by: Whitters on Apr 18, 2008, 23:49:31
Exactly right Mike, it is caused by the spacers holding the optics to the cell. I was surprised by them the first time I used the scope, but a quick exam of the front end of the scope gave the explanation. Except they don't so much protrude as change the transmission at the edge of the optice at the cell edge. See photo.
(http://www.axqo90.dsl.pipex.com/Others/WO110.jpg)
Title: Re: The Rosette Star Cluster NGC2244 and the Rosette Nebula NGC2237
Post by: Ian on Apr 19, 2008, 00:06:30
well you would go and buy cheapie mickey-mouse optics mate. Still, should be good for your teeth, says it's got fluoride in it. Or something.

Still, it's incredible the effect such a small detail has on the star images. Why don't you just use them tool things to add some more, disguise the real ones?

Actually, I don't think it's detrimental to the image at all.
Title: Re: The Rosette Star Cluster NGC2244 and the Rosette Nebula NGC2237
Post by: Whitters on Apr 19, 2008, 13:07:33
Fay, it was with six 10 minute subs with only the IR block Astronomiks filter, just to stop the bloat from IR light which would not be in the same focus point as the visible.
Title: Re: The Rosette Star Cluster NGC2244 and the Rosette Nebula NGC2237
Post by: Whitters on Apr 19, 2008, 13:08:23
And the scope was an e-bay bargain. It's always a bit of a sweat waiting for something like that to arrive though ;-)
Title: Re: The Rosette Star Cluster NGC2244 and the Rosette Nebula NGC2237
Post by: Fay on Apr 19, 2008, 13:51:59
Paul, is it a Megrez or APO Triplet?
Title: Re: The Rosette Star Cluster NGC2244 and the Rosette Nebula NGC2237
Post by: Fay on Apr 19, 2008, 13:52:32
OK, I've just seen triplet on the scope image
Title: Re: The Rosette Star Cluster NGC2244 and the Rosette Nebula NGC2237
Post by: Rocket Pooch on Apr 19, 2008, 23:06:40
guiding still working then paul :-)
Title: Re: The Rosette Star Cluster NGC2244 and the Rosette Nebula NGC2237
Post by: Whitters on Apr 20, 2008, 20:49:45
Guiding OK, back knackered though , so a week and a half pf clear skies, down the drain :-(
Title: Re: The Rosette Star Cluster NGC2244 and the Rosette Nebula NGC2237
Post by: Whitters on Apr 26, 2008, 23:30:59
Hopefully the physio will let me carry stuff around again soon, This has made me think hard about setting up a permanent observatory in the garden.