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Astronomy => Astrophotography => Topic started by: MarkS on Nov 02, 2011, 12:21:11

Title: A very sad M78
Post by: MarkS on Nov 02, 2011, 12:21:11
In theory the conditions were ideal - SQM-L reading of 20.8 (slightly darker than October's DSC) and the temperature was 4C.
I shot 50 subs of 5 min.
BUT - the night was extremely dewy and the secondary mirror fogged up after 18 subs, meaning that most of the night's acquisition was wasted.  So the only reasonable subs were when Orion and M78 were low in the sky - hence severe background gradients.

H-alpha modded Canon 350D on Tak Epsilon 180ED with IR/UV filter.  18 x 5min subs at ISO 800.

Here is the result of processing the 18 subs.  The red gradient at the bottom left is genuine - it is part of Barnard's Loop.  The top left gradient is spurious.

(http://www.markshelley.co.uk/Astronomy/2011/m78_01112011small.jpg)

Larger version is here (but I've binned by a factor of 3 to reduce noise):
http://www.markshelley.co.uk/Astronomy/2011/m78_01112011.jpg

I certainly think M78 is interesting enough to warrant another attempt.

Mark


Title: Re: A very sad M78
Post by: JohnP on Nov 02, 2011, 13:16:27
Like you say not your best but shows loads of promise & a lovely FOV - John
Title: Re: A very sad M78
Post by: Fay on Nov 02, 2011, 14:59:55
Yes I think that looks a very promising subject. The dew was very bad last night!
Title: Re: A very sad M78
Post by: Carole on Nov 02, 2011, 16:04:21
That's a shame Mark, all that hard work.  Still looks a nice image though.

I was wondering about dew with Newtonians as a young man at Salisbury had a dewed up mirror, and no dew heaters, I wasn't sure whether you could put dew heaters on Newtonians seeing as the mirror is not actually attached to the sides of the tube like a refractor lens is, or is there a different method for Newtonians?

Carole

Title: Re: A very sad M78
Post by: RobertM on Nov 02, 2011, 16:33:18
Yep, I echo John's comments.

It's been on my list for years but the weather's always been in the way.

Robert
Title: Re: A very sad M78
Post by: MarkS on Nov 02, 2011, 20:33:12
Quote from: Carole
I wasn't sure whether you could put dew heaters on Newtonians seeing as the mirror is not actually attached to the sides of the tube like a refractor lens is, or is there a different method for Newtonians?

I use a dew heating band around the tube next to the primary and this is sufficient to keep the primary clear.  But because of the design of the Tak's secondary, I don't know if there's a way to get a heating element anywhere near the secondary mirror surface.  However, secondary only tend to dew up on VERY dewy nights - like last night :(

Mark
Title: Re: A very sad M78
Post by: MarkS on Nov 03, 2011, 21:33:30
I've completely reprocessed this - the most difficult reprocess ever!
I've added in another 16 subs - which were badly affected by the dewing up but where the signal had not been attenuated too much.  The remaining subs of the 50 were too badly attenuated to be of any use.  Using the first 18 subs as a reference, I subtracted the extra fuzziness introduced by the dew in the next 16 subs.  The technique actually worked quite well but, in the end, you can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear.

So, 34 x 5min:
(http://www.markshelley.co.uk/Astronomy/2011/m78_01112011v2small.jpg)

Larger version (but binned by factor of 2):
http://www.markshelley.co.uk/Astronomy/2011/m78_01112011v2.jpg

Mark
Title: Re: A very sad M78
Post by: RobertM on Nov 03, 2011, 21:49:51
A lot of people would be much more than happy with that result Mark !

The noise has reduced considerably with those extra subs you managed to use.  I think as a result you've managed to tame some colour gradients and make it look more natural.  Overall I think the reprocess has worked very well.  It's a beautiful area of sky around M78...

Robert

Title: Re: A very sad M78
Post by: julian on Nov 03, 2011, 21:56:26
Well worth the extra work in re-processing the image.  It looks great!

Regarding the secondary mirror dewing up, would you be able to put resistors on the back of the mirror and control it with a pulse width modulator, running the cables along the top of the mirror veins and maybe wiring the resistors up in a star form so it looks like the letter Y?

Julian
Title: Re: A very sad M78
Post by: Carole on Nov 03, 2011, 22:34:14
Great re-process Mark. 

Carole
Title: Re: A very sad M78
Post by: Fay on Nov 03, 2011, 23:00:11
Well the conditions are not good lately, Mark, & I think you have done a very good job, as ever

Fay
Title: Re: A very sad M78
Post by: Mac on Nov 03, 2011, 23:22:12
Considering the amount of problems you had, and the loss of subs, ect
thats a pretty good result,

Mac.
Title: Re: A very sad M78
Post by: mickw on Nov 04, 2011, 08:15:30
Very nice reprocess, less noisy and the colours look more natural.