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Astronomy => Astrophotography => Topic started by: MarkS on Nov 04, 2007, 13:52:20

Title: 17P/Holmes Jet Detail
Post by: MarkS on Nov 04, 2007, 13:52:20
I've managed to enhance some jet detail in my Holmes image of 31 Oct by subtracting a Gaussian blurred version of the image from the original.  The original was 25 minutes of exposure (50 x 30 sec).

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/the_shelleys/photos/holmes_jet_detail.jpg (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/the_shelleys/photos/holmes_jet_detail.jpg)
Title: Re: 17P/Holmes Jet Detail
Post by: JohnP on Nov 04, 2007, 14:39:05
Excellent again - this really is interesting stuff... Well done - John
Title: Re: 17P/Holmes Jet Detail
Post by: MarkS on Nov 06, 2007, 06:14:09
I've just discovered the IRIS RGRADIENT command:
http://www.astrosurf.org/buil/us/iris/comet/comet.htm (http://www.astrosurf.org/buil/us/iris/comet/comet.htm)
But this seemed to create too many artifacts in the image for my liking.

But I've reprocessed the above image with a variation of the technique to produce this:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/the_shelleys/photos/holmes_jet_detail2.jpg (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/the_shelleys/photos/holmes_jet_detail2.jpg)

This would appear to show "jets" behind the comet and fainter large structures out to the edge of the coma.  I don't think these are artifacts but I could be wrong.  But I don't know how to interpret this.
Title: Re: 17P/Holmes Jet Detail
Post by: Rocket Pooch on Nov 06, 2007, 08:17:44
Brilliant images Mark, have you tried to apply a Bas Relief filter to the image, this usually does something similar without removing and artificial flat.

Chris


P.S. 10/10 for being able to use IRIS :-)
Title: Re: 17P/Holmes Jet Detail
Post by: Rick on Nov 06, 2007, 16:55:54
That makes an interesting comparison with today's APOD:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap071105.html
Title: Re: 17P/Holmes Jet Detail
Post by: MarkS on Nov 07, 2007, 22:26:59
I now have enough images to begin to show the evolution of structures inside the coma.  All images are the same scale i.e. 2x2 binned before cropping.  The images show differing amounts of noise because of the differing total exposures in each case.  If I had known then, how I would analyse the data now, I would have shot more data ...

It helps if you squint at the images!

29 October:
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/the_shelleys/photos/holmes_jets_20071029.jpg)


31 October:
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/the_shelleys/photos/holmes_jet_detail2.jpg)


4 November:
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/the_shelleys/photos/holmes_jets_20071104.jpg)
Title: Re: 17P/Holmes Jet Detail
Post by: Jim on Nov 08, 2007, 09:56:09
Mark

These really are interesting images. Facinating to know if these are real jets or processing artifacts.  Would you mind if I passed them onto someone in the Astronomy Dept at UCL to comment?
Title: Re: 17P/Holmes Jet Detail
Post by: Mike on Nov 08, 2007, 10:25:20
They are real jets. They compare well with other images i've seen. The comet is actually developing a visible tail at the moment (although a faint one) that has shown up on some deep images I have seen on other sites.

http://hubble.heim.at/holmes-2.htm
Title: Re: 17P/Holmes Jet Detail
Post by: MarkS on Nov 08, 2007, 12:08:00
Quote from: Jim on Nov 08, 2007, 09:56:09
Would you mind if I passed them onto someone in the Astronomy Dept at UCL to comment?

By all means, Jim.  I'd be interested in their response.
Title: Re: 17P/Holmes Jet Detail
Post by: Jim on Nov 13, 2007, 07:05:51
Hi Mark

I showed these to Dr Francisco Diego at UCL.  He was very impressed with the pictures and said in his view the jets were real.  He did ask why the pics had star trails, did you combine pics from different nights?
Title: Re: 17P/Holmes Jet Detail
Post by: Mike on Nov 13, 2007, 09:36:35
I'm guessing he tracked the comet nucleus and that will be why the stars are trailing.
Title: Re: 17P/Holmes Jet Detail
Post by: MarkS on Nov 13, 2007, 13:08:02

Mike is right.  For the 31 Oct image, I took 50 x 30 sec exposures over a period of 90 minutes and then stacked them to track the comet.  The comet was moving relative to the star background, hence the trailing. 

In fact I actually took many more images but most were not suitable for stacking because my mount (the standard CG5) was being used unguided.
Title: Re: 17P/Holmes Jet Detail
Post by: Rick on Nov 14, 2007, 11:45:14
Another APOD showing similar detail: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap071113.html
Title: Re: 17P/Holmes Jet Detail
Post by: MarkS on Nov 21, 2007, 06:27:29

Some Hubble space telescope images have been published.  One has been enhanced to give it a weird "bow tie" appearance:

http://www.spacetelescope.org/news/html/heic0718.html (http://www.spacetelescope.org/news/html/heic0718.html)
Title: Re: 17P/Holmes Jet Detail
Post by: MarkS on Dec 01, 2007, 17:34:11
Hare are some excellent images and animations of Holmes jets taken from an observatory in the Pyrenees.
http://www.picdumidi.eu/ (http://www.picdumidi.eu/)

They're the best I've seen so far.

Title: Re: 17P/Holmes Jet Detail
Post by: Rick on Dec 01, 2007, 23:26:28
Oh the advantages of having a big scope on the top of a mountain... ;)