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Astronomy => Technical => Topic started by: RobertM on Jun 23, 2010, 14:24:32

Title: Off-axis guider
Post by: RobertM on Jun 23, 2010, 14:24:32
I'm considering buying one of these, has anyone experience of using one they could share.

Many thanks
Robert
Title: Re: Off-axis guider
Post by: Rocket Pooch on Jun 23, 2010, 16:56:02
Yip,

I'd recomment it for many reasons, mainly because the guiding is really good, no flexture issues, but also you only need 1 dew heater etc.  But they take a little getting used too.

Title: Re: Off-axis guider
Post by: Mike on Jun 23, 2010, 19:21:25
Quote from: Space Dog on Jun 23, 2010, 16:56:02But they take a little getting used too.

In what respect ?
Title: Re: Off-axis guider
Post by: Rocket Pooch on Jun 23, 2010, 20:26:08
Getting the focus of the guide cam par focal with the imaging cam, or at least close enough for the software to calculate a centroid.
Title: Re: Off-axis guider
Post by: RobertM on Jun 23, 2010, 22:05:50
Thanks, but which one? there are so many ... there's the Telescope Service 'wafer thin' jobbie all the way up to the Giant Easy Guider plus a whole lot in between.  What makes it more difficult is that there aren't many critical dimensions mentioned.

I'll do some more research but any recommendation would help narrow the field.

Cheers
Robert


Title: Re: Off-axis guider
Post by: Mike on Jun 23, 2010, 23:19:07
so how do you focus it ?
Title: Re: Off-axis guider
Post by: Rocket Pooch on Jun 23, 2010, 23:47:04
Hi,

I have the Telecope Services one, its thin and is useful, I think, because you can still image at F2.8 with it in place.

Mike, you focus it by sliding the guide came up and down on a focus pole, its really tricky bit when you have the hang of it its ok.

Its outside now guiding away!!!  the first time in ages I've been bothered to image.

Chris


Title: Re: Off-axis guider
Post by: RobertM on Jun 24, 2010, 08:55:22
Thanks Chris... now it's measurement time ...
Title: Re: Off-axis guider
Post by: RobertM on Jun 24, 2010, 09:31:27
Chris, any chance of posting some pictures of the OAG on your equipment? If you could include a ruler then I could take some measurements.

Thanks
Robert
Title: Re: Off-axis guider
Post by: MarkS on Jun 24, 2010, 10:10:53

He posted one here:
http://forum.orpington-astronomy.org.uk/index.php?topic=5990 (http://forum.orpington-astronomy.org.uk/index.php?topic=5990)
Title: Re: Off-axis guider
Post by: Rocket Pooch on Jun 24, 2010, 12:03:51
Hi,

Could do, but not sure what thats going to do but I will.

Chris
Title: Re: Off-axis guider
Post by: RobertM on Jun 24, 2010, 12:35:20
It'll show me how much clearance there is for the guide camera based on where your guider is.  I don't think there will be a problem but you never can tell though from that image on the other post the clearance looks ok.

Is it very strong and can you see any weaknesses in the design?

Robert
Title: Re: Off-axis guider
Post by: Mike on Jun 24, 2010, 16:26:38
I'm very interested in this system myself as flexure is definitely an issue. This system would be perfect for the guys with the HEQ-5's also as it would greatly reduce weight.
Title: Re: Off-axis guider
Post by: Rocket Pooch on Jun 24, 2010, 16:52:55
Ok, the thing is only 9mm thick the back is a T mount and the front is?  Can't remember I think its 48mm.

Its really fiddly and you can only place the second camera at 120 deg angles and therefore if your guiding s/w can deal with RA/DEC totation your stuffed, this is not an issue with Maxim and AA.

The focusing is quite nasty, but they all are.

But, its wide at the front, thin and very rigid.

Look at it here you will see what I mean by fiddly http://www.telescope-service.com/accessories/start/accessoriesstart.html#TSOAG9

Chris
Title: Re: Off-axis guider
Post by: Mike on Jun 24, 2010, 16:58:42
BTW these are cheaper from Modern Astronomy - http://www.modernastronomy.com/accessories.html#accOAG
Title: Re: Off-axis guider
Post by: RobertM on Jun 24, 2010, 17:15:52
I tried to by the atik prototype at kelling but the weren't playing ball :(
Title: Re: Off-axis guider
Post by: Rocket Pooch on Jun 25, 2010, 10:20:08
I think, and I could be wrong, but the ATIK one is quite deep and is of little use for fast scopes.

Chris
Title: Re: Off-axis guider
Post by: RobertM on Jun 25, 2010, 12:31:28
It's not too bad but no where near as thin as the TS 'wafer' jobbie, which is the one I'm probably going to go for.  It does look like the TS oag has a T-thread adaptor for guide camera so I need to check with them about fitting an SX Guider with CS thread first.

Robert
Title: Re: Off-axis guider
Post by: RobertM on Jun 28, 2010, 14:36:51
Ian King reckons the TS OAG is not that strong and probably won't take the weight of my camera/filter wheel and is recommending the SX Off Axis guider instead. I'm going to take a look at that as well as the other Telescope Service 'modified celestron' unit.

Any others I should be considering?

Thanks
Robert