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Astronomy => Astrophotography => Topic started by: Fay on Mar 13, 2008, 17:51:59

Title: Next Image for you Mark S
Post by: Fay on Mar 13, 2008, 17:51:59

I am sure you will manage this one, Mark!

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2094/2331643760_89ab18a896_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Next Image for you Mark S
Post by: MarkS on Mar 13, 2008, 20:08:47

I would be over the moon with an image like that!
Title: Re: Next Image for you Mark S
Post by: Rick on Mar 13, 2008, 20:23:49
When and where was that one taken from? Must've been in a pretty narrow time window...
Title: Re: Next Image for you Mark S
Post by: Fay on Mar 13, 2008, 20:29:43
It was on a astro site, don't know the details. Do you think it could be fake?
Title: Re: Next Image for you Mark S
Post by: Rick on Mar 13, 2008, 22:53:22
Looks plausible, given sufficient aperture and careful timing...
Title: Re: Next Image for you Mark S
Post by: MarkS on Mar 14, 2008, 05:48:34

I found this APOD image:  http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070628.html (http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070628.html)

I think I've just decided to give up ...
Title: Re: Next Image for you Mark S
Post by: Mike on Mar 14, 2008, 06:26:44
I wouldn't - did you see what kit they are using?
Title: Re: Next Image for you Mark S
Post by: MarkS on Mar 14, 2008, 08:25:23

They must have some decent kit to track the ISS with a 25inch scope!  And the seeing must have been pretty good that day as well.
Title: Re: Next Image for you Mark S
Post by: Mike on Mar 14, 2008, 11:44:04
I am guessing it is one of those huge mounted binocular things that NASA have that looks more like a rocket launcher. They can move very quickly and track even aircraft at high altitudes easily.
Title: Re: Next Image for you Mark S
Post by: Rick on Mar 14, 2008, 13:15:02
There's a page about their kit here: http://www.dexter-southfield.org/podium/default.aspx?t=11309
Title: Re: Next Image for you Mark S
Post by: MarkS on Mar 14, 2008, 16:28:12

They're not playing fair!  Here are the mount details:

25" DFM Engineering Equatorial Fork Mount
Manufactured for the Clay Center by DFM Engineering in 2002.
30 inch diameter friction drive in Right Ascension and 28 inch diameter friction drive in Declinatio.
Steel mirror cell with multiple 12-bolt patterns per KPNO standard
Tracking accuracy: +/- 0.5 arc seconds in 5 minutes, +/- 5.0 arc seconds in 1 hour
Pointing accuracy (with refraction and alignment correction) better than 30 arc seconds RMS
Variable set, guide and tracking rates: 0 to 4.0 degrees/second
Mount will support 65 kg instrument load with a center of gravity 36cm behind mounting surface
Computerized Mirror covers

Title: Re: Next Image for you Mark S
Post by: mickw on Mar 14, 2008, 16:49:58
There's no denying their image is stunning, but as you say, They're not playing fair.
But your image with the shuttle was basicaly "shot form the hip" in your back garden using bog standard kit.
Their image is better but not 100k better  ;)
At least your stuff shows what can be achieved by a normal person with normal kit and without serious funding.

Still I suppose we can all dream   :)

Mick
Title: Re: Next Image for you Mark S
Post by: Rick on Mar 14, 2008, 17:35:42
Quote from: MarkS on Mar 14, 2008, 16:28:12
Variable set, guide and tracking rates: 0 to 4.0 degrees/second
I assume it can be controlled to track the target, in which case it's the thing that makes it easy for them to get good satellite shots...

I assume that the military are just as good (and very probably better) at photographing satellites in orbit.
Title: Re: Next Image for you Mark S
Post by: MarkS on Mar 14, 2008, 17:40:33

Yes, the military are very good at satellite shots (yes, pun intended!)
Title: Re: Next Image for you Mark S
Post by: Rick on Mar 14, 2008, 18:19:45
Oh I dunno. They seem to have made a bit of a mess of that one they took a shot at recenly... Scattered bits all over the place!