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Astronomy => Technical => Topic started by: MarkS on Jan 15, 2008, 06:18:42

Title: Signal to Noise Calculator
Post by: MarkS on Jan 15, 2008, 06:18:42

My (Microsoft Excel) spreadsheet for calculating Signal to Noise Ratio is here:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/the_shelleys/photos/MDS_SignalNoiseCalculator.xls (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/the_shelleys/photos/MDS_SignalNoiseCalculator.xls)

I hope it's reasonably straightforward to use.

The main conclusions (for which I do not claim originality) are:

1) For the same exposure length, the S/N of a very dim target can be improved by a large factor by moving to dark skies
    However, for a bright target, S/N is high to begin with and little can be gained by moving to dark skies

2) For a single long exposure, the camera read noise makes very little difference to the S/N achieved.

3) Under dark skies, the read noise has a huge effect on the length of sub-exposure required to achieve the required S/N after stacking
    However, under heavy light pollution, increasing subexposure time has a very marginal effect.

4) The camera dark current is a critical limiting factor for achieving good S/N for a dim target in the Summer

5)  Note that a more sensitive CCD would increase target brightness and sky flux simultaneously (in measured electrons/minute)
     Improving the F ratio (e.g. by using a focal reducer) would have a similar effect.
     Doing either has a big effect on the S/N achieved
Title: Re: Signal to Noise Calculator
Post by: Fay on Jan 15, 2008, 09:41:51
Mark, I think when you were born, you was given Einstein's brain!!!!!!!! Wow!

Fay
Title: Re: Signal to Noise Calculator
Post by: Mike on Jan 15, 2008, 10:57:10
Quote from: Fay on Jan 15, 2008, 09:41:51Mark, I think when you were born, you was given Einstein's brain!!!!!!!!

Ugh !! Surely it would be all decomposed and gross by now?

Title: Re: Signal to Noise Calculator
Post by: Rocket Pooch on Jan 22, 2008, 18:01:58
John and I we're talking about this last week on the phone, that's why its less important to have lots of darks under highly light polluted skies and more important to do them when the sky is clear, also flats are handy.

There a conversation for the Bull on Thursday!!!

Title: Re: Signal to Noise Calculator
Post by: Fay on Jan 22, 2008, 20:23:53
That sounds promising

Title: Re: Signal to Noise Calculator
Post by: Ian on Jan 22, 2008, 20:29:29
our conversations are usually full of bull...
Title: Re: Signal to Noise Calculator
Post by: mickw on Jan 22, 2008, 20:47:58
I think I'd better start drinking now  ;)
Title: Re: Signal to Noise Calculator
Post by: Fay on Jan 22, 2008, 21:59:26
Thank God for you, Mick, I thought I was going to have to pretend to be clever!!!!!