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Astronomy => Astrophotography => Topic started by: MarkS on May 13, 2015, 21:22:14

Title: M51 Whirlpool again - this time with the Sony A7S modded
Post by: MarkS on May 13, 2015, 21:22:14
Modded Sony A7s on Celestron C11 with 0.8x reducer flattener.
2 hours of data in 80 x 90sec subs.
Processing has been minimal to show the quality of the data:  a straight sum of the 80 calibrated frames, an arcsinh stretch of the luminance channel (in IRIS), RGB balance (I had to keep the tone down the red channel this time) and a slight colour saturation.

(http://www.markshelley.co.uk/Astronomy/2015/m51_a7smodded_20150512_small.jpg)

A 1:1 scaled crop can be seen here:
http://www.markshelley.co.uk/Astronomy/2015/m51_a7smodded_20150512.jpg

The thermal noise and read noise are so low that even in with my fairly dark sky (SQM 20.8-21.0 during the imaging session) the light pollution is still the main contributor to the background noise level, even with such slow (F8) optics.

Tonight it goes on the Tak Epsilon at F2.8   8)

Mark

Title: Re: M51 Whirlpool again - this time with the Sony A7S modded
Post by: Fay on May 13, 2015, 21:41:48
90secs, what a great result Mark!!!! did you do darks and flats?
Title: Re: M51 Whirlpool again - this time with the Sony A7S modded
Post by: MarkS on May 13, 2015, 23:10:08
Yes - darks and flats as usual.

Mark
Title: Re: M51 Whirlpool again - this time with the Sony A7S modded
Post by: Mike on May 14, 2015, 13:31:05
It is certainly looking to be a very capable camera. I wonder how it would stack up against a cooled CCD with a similar sized chip.
Title: Re: M51 Whirlpool again - this time with the Sony A7S modded
Post by: Kenny on May 14, 2015, 19:28:49
Stuning image Mark.

What do you think is happening on the left of the galaxies? The nebulosity seems to stop rather abruptly.
Title: Re: M51 Whirlpool again - this time with the Sony A7S modded
Post by: The Thing on May 14, 2015, 20:00:28
Now I really want one!
Title: Re: M51 Whirlpool again - this time with the Sony A7S modded
Post by: MarkS on May 14, 2015, 20:01:42
Quote from: Mike
It is certainly looking to be a very capable camera. I wonder how it would stack up against a cooled CCD with a similar sized chip.

A very interesting question!  I think the A7S would beat a similar sized cooled OSC because of it's high QE and very low read noise and thermal noise.  Even though it is uncooled, the thermal noise is so low that you can do a 10min exposure before its noise reaches the read noise of a typical OSC camera.  However, a cooled mono camera would still beat the A7S for colour imaging because LRGB is much more efficient than Bayer matrix RGB for imaging.  Additionally the mono has a huge advantage for narrowband.

For short exposures, the A7S will be streets ahead of both cooled mono and OSC because of the crazy low read noise.
Also compare the price of the A7S against a cooled mono camera - that was definitely a huge attraction for me.  I could buy 2 of them and still have plenty of cash left over compared with a full frame astro CCD.

Quote from: Kenny
What do you think is happening on the left of the galaxies? The nebulosity seems to stop rather abruptly.

Dunno - it's interesting isn't it.

Quote from: The Thing
Now I really want one!

:lol:

Mark
Title: Re: M51 Whirlpool again - this time with the Sony A7S modded
Post by: Carole on May 14, 2015, 20:06:17
QuoteThe nebulosity seems to stop rather abruptly.
That is normal for this galaxy Kenny.  Look at my image of the same object in this month's calendar page.

Carole
Title: Re: M51 Whirlpool again - this time with the Sony A7S modded
Post by: JohnP on May 14, 2015, 20:21:32
Nice Mark.. very good for quick test at f8.  Can't wait to see result with Tak.. process still looks a tad too red to me... John.
Title: Re: M51 Whirlpool again - this time with the Sony A7S modded
Post by: MarkS on May 14, 2015, 20:52:55
Yep - a bit too red.
Title: Re: M51 Whirlpool again - this time with the Sony A7S modded
Post by: MarkH on May 14, 2015, 21:08:38
Mark , well done that is one of the best images of m51 I have seen, awesome!
Title: Re: M51 Whirlpool again - this time with the Sony A7S modded
Post by: Kenny on May 14, 2015, 21:10:09
Quote from: Carole on May 14, 2015, 20:06:17
QuoteThe nebulosity seems to stop rather abruptly.
That is normal for this galaxy Kenny.  Look at my image of the same object in this month's calendar page.

Carole

All the nebulosity is rounded in shape but down the left it's almost linear. That doesn't appear 'normal'.
Title: Re: M51 Whirlpool again - this time with the Sony A7S modded
Post by: Carole on May 15, 2015, 10:55:40
Don't know what you are talking about then Kenny, looks normal to me.

Carole