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Astronomy => Astrophotography => Topic started by: Fay on Jun 23, 2008, 09:32:59

Title: NGC 6888 & Veil /EOS
Post by: Fay on Jun 23, 2008, 09:32:59
Does anyne know if these exposures are as they should be or should I alter the red, as Mark has done, although I was in a more intense hydrogen area. How do I use Photoshop with the RGB in one image.

Thanks a lot
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3115/2603839950_0314880f2b_o.jpg)  veil 1x240sec 23.51


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3247/2603839898_be4708d447_o.jpg) Ngc888 1x600sec ISO800 00.13
Title: Re: NGC 6888 & Veil /EOS
Post by: JohnP on Jun 23, 2008, 09:40:09
Fay - You need to adjust the colour balance...

To get close if you open the image in PS & then select levels & choose the Gray (mid point) eyedropper & then click anywhere on background it should align the RG & B - Try clicking on different parts of the background until it looks right... you'll then need to adjust levels/ curves for high/ lowlights etc...

John
Title: Re: NGC 6888 & Veil /EOS
Post by: Fay on Jun 23, 2008, 09:42:37
Thanks John, I will have a go at that.
Title: Re: NGC 6888 & Veil /EOS
Post by: MarkS on Jun 23, 2008, 13:05:39

Fay,

The images I got after modding my camera look very similar to yours below i.e. a pink/purple tint across the whole frame. Once you have RGB balanced them, you will be fine.

Mark
Title: Re: NGC 6888 & Veil /EOS
Post by: Fay on Jun 23, 2008, 15:00:19
Thanks Mark, will try & master it today.
Title: Re: NGC 6888 & Veil /EOS
Post by: mickw on Jun 23, 2008, 19:15:34
Could you set up a custom white balance to overcome the bulk of the colour problems ?
Title: Re: NGC 6888 & Veil /EOS
Post by: Fay on Jun 23, 2008, 19:28:21
I don't know what I am doing, at the moment Mick. I tried to do what John suggested, but does not look too good. Although, there is only one image there, I would only be able to do so much.
I did bring out a lot more detail in The Veil, a lot of nebulosity lower left.
Once I get the hang of it, I will be ok.

Fay
Title: Re: NGC 6888 & Veil /EOS
Post by: mickw on Jun 23, 2008, 20:15:27
It is rare that I know what I am doing  :oops:

If you tamper with the white balance settings on the camera to reproduce a fairly accurate colour rendition of a picture taken during the day (colour card, flower or whatever), that should give you a good starter image at night.  Your camera instructions should tell you how.

I'm sure I will be shouted at if I'm wrong  :(
Title: Re: NGC 6888 & Veil /EOS
Post by: MarkS on Jun 23, 2008, 20:19:54
Fay,

I've had a quick look at Photoshop.  I think what you need to do is to use the following menu:

Image | Adjustments | Channel Mixer

You can then reduce the Red channel down to 30-40% or so.  Just play around with the colour balance on Red Green and Blue until it looks correct.

Mark
Title: Re: NGC 6888 & Veil /EOS
Post by: JohnP on Jun 23, 2008, 20:20:32
Fay - it's tough to do anything with one image - you still need to take multiple images to increase the signal & reduce noise. As you can see from Mark's image if you take enough exposures the results after modification are impressive. Mark's image shows loads more detail. Don't expect too much from one image - the suggestion I made was just to get colour balance correct not to 'magically' bring out loads of detail/nebulosity. If you want to email the raw I can see what I can do...

Cheers,  John.
Title: Re: NGC 6888 & Veil /EOS
Post by: MarkS on Jun 24, 2008, 07:39:13
Fay,

As John says, you need to treat the EOS like a "proper" astro-camera taking multiple subs and doing a full processing sequence with bias, darks & flats.

It's one of the things I'll cover in my talk on the Thursday's members' evening.

Mark
Title: Re: NGC 6888 & Veil /EOS
Post by: Fay on Jun 24, 2008, 07:51:01
Thanks John & Mark. I really look forward to your talk, Mark.
Title: Re: NGC 6888 & Veil /EOS
Post by: Rocket Pooch on Jun 24, 2008, 18:38:43
Fay,

I know the images look a little iffy, but they are good, you got the SLR working and the guiding.  All you need is a good 2" light pollution filter (you can borrow mine if you treat it nicely) and more data.  Remember you really need 16 subs to get the S/N ok.  But at least you will not have to do LRGB.

So does this mean when we go to France you will be wide field imaging with the EOS?  Will you get the Baader and 2" Ha filter and do some very nice wide field narrow band images?

Chris
Title: Re: NGC 6888 & Veil /EOS
Post by: Fay on Jun 24, 2008, 19:04:30
Thanks Chris, I do have a 2" light pollution filter. By the Baader filter, I am thinking it is the one that was put in there, UV & IR. That was kind of you to offer to lend me the 2"
I hope I have got rid of the dust bunnies, although flats will sort that out, but rather get rid of them.

Yes John put me right today regarding the histogram. I did not realise that the 3 peaks of RGB had to all line up when the grey dropper was used on the background. I thought they all had to stay separate doh!

Tomorrow evening I will be out there & try to get a series of images, although the light sky is still a problem as I can't stay up all night.

I will take it to France in my knapsack!


Fay
Title: Re: NGC 6888 & Veil /EOS
Post by: Rocket Pooch on Jun 24, 2008, 20:01:06
Fay,

If you get an ample supply of cocaine it will help keep you awake.

Chris
Title: Re: NGC 6888 & Veil /EOS
Post by: Fay on Jun 24, 2008, 22:05:20
Can't have more than one glass of wine as it will zonk me out & I won't be around for the evening, hence, no images !