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Astronomy => Astrophotography => Topic started by: JohnP on Aug 12, 2009, 12:06:38

Title: Perseids - Meteor Cam
Post by: JohnP on Aug 12, 2009, 12:06:38
Hi All,

Thought I would try something different. I have been playing around with an old B&W CCTV security camera that I purchased about 6 years ago (Chris got one as well). The camera has pretty poor resolution & can only record video at 320 X 240 but has a .003 LUX rating which isn't too bad although, todays camera have ratings of .0001 or lower.

I hooked the camera up to a desktop PC using a USB video grabber (actually a Hauppage WinTV USB stick). I downloaded a trial version of some brilliant motion capture software from here: http://sonotaco.com/e_index.html
The software basically detects motion in the video frame & then starts recording - it buffers the video stream into memory so you can specify how many before & after frames you want to capture so you don't miss the event. There are also controls for setting sensitivity etc.

I wasn't sure camera would be sensitive enough as I could just about see Vega with it through the noise. Anyway I set it up last night & pointed it in general direction of Cassiopia & left it running until 4am this morning. I ended up getting about 25 video's most of which were planes or satellites but ended up with about 5 meteor captures :-)

The best one is shown below which as you can see was captured around 22:40:45secs. The meteor first shows at 22:40:45.6secs is brightest at 22:40:46.2secs and disappears at 22:40:46.6secs i.e. lasted 1 sec. I was recording at 10fps. The video file is quite large so I have used virtual Dub (thanks Ian) to trim the before & after frames, I also brightened frame a little & increased size slightly. I then used VDub to export to a continuously looping gif for display. The metor must have actually been quite a big one as it was much much brighter than Vega.

Anyway - It was all good fun. Next step to get myself a more sensitive CCTV camera so I can have some stars in the image as well. I may well house the camera in a waterproof enclosure & leave running for a few weeks/ months...The actually points of light in my image are not stars they are hot pixels. Also forgot to say I downloaded another utility called AtomClock that synchronizes the clock on my computer so the time stamps are pretty accurate.

Anyway here is the gif file of my first meteor.... :-)

Cheers,  John

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/john.punnett/graphics/oas/M20090811_224045__.gif)
Title: Re: Perseids - Meteor Cam
Post by: MarkS on Aug 12, 2009, 12:50:35

Good one!
That's an interesting project and you've got a nice result there.

I wonder if it would be possible to do the same with a webcam - I'm sure there was some kind of motion detecting software that came with one of mine.

Mark
Title: Re: Perseids - Meteor Cam
Post by: Fay on Aug 12, 2009, 13:05:26
Glad you had a result John. So it stops & starts when  motion is detected?
Title: Re: Perseids - Meteor Cam
Post by: JohnP on Aug 12, 2009, 13:06:49
The security camera is running all the time - the recording stops & starts when motion is detected...
Title: Re: Perseids - Meteor Cam
Post by: Fay on Aug 12, 2009, 13:09:24
is it expensive to buy, not sure about yen rate. Certainly seems a good program, very versatile
Title: Re: Perseids - Meteor Cam
Post by: JohnP on Aug 12, 2009, 13:56:42
I'm using 30-day free trial at the moment... it's all good fun... John
Title: Re: Perseids - Meteor Cam
Post by: JohnP on Aug 12, 2009, 14:31:11
QuoteI wonder if it would be possible to do the same with a webcam - I'm sure there was some kind of motion detecting software that came with one of mine.

Hi Mark, don't see why not. Like I say I could barely see Vega with the Security Camera I used so as long as you can see Vega in normal video mode at say 5 or 10 fps it should work...

John
Title: Re: Perseids - Meteor Cam
Post by: mickw on Aug 12, 2009, 14:46:37
That's a cool project, nice one John  :)
Title: Re: Perseids - Meteor Cam
Post by: JohnP on Aug 12, 2009, 14:55:05
Cheers Mick - Will be better if/ when I can get a more sensitive camera.... John
Title: Re: Perseids - Meteor Cam
Post by: Rick on Aug 12, 2009, 15:09:32
Nice one, John!
Title: Re: Perseids - Meteor Cam
Post by: The Thing on Aug 12, 2009, 15:32:31
Nice one, John!
Title: Re: Perseids - Meteor Cam
Post by: Mike on Aug 12, 2009, 15:58:04
Excellent John. Nice little project. You should make a permanent installation. I've been wanting to do that myself for a while now.
Title: Re: Perseids - Meteor Cam
Post by: JohnP on Aug 12, 2009, 16:05:08
Thks All.

Mike - I think I will - Just get myself a better camera & then stick something up on the roof... you never know might capture evidence of those orange balls or delta winged aircraft that have been sighted....
Title: Re: Perseids - Meteor Cam
Post by: RobertM on Aug 12, 2009, 17:26:14
That's an excellent little project John, much better than staying up all night that's for sure !  I'm looking forward to seeing how it progresses, a more sensitive cam would make the world of a difference.  You could also try a faster lens, I'm sure you could pick something up from EBay or a boot sale for not much dosh.

Robert
Title: Re: Perseids - Meteor Cam
Post by: Rick on Aug 12, 2009, 21:50:36
Quote from: MarkS on Aug 12, 2009, 12:50:35I wonder if it would be possible to do the same with a webcam - I'm sure there was some kind of motion detecting software that came with one of mine.
I doubt you'd need anything too sophisticated in the way of motion detection, provided you can get a reliably non-shimmery video image. A little bit of frame-averaging and a simple spot-the-difference approach would probably work fairly well. Something to deal with the hot pixels might be an advantage, though.
Title: Re: Perseids - Meteor Cam
Post by: Mac on Aug 12, 2009, 23:20:37
nice capture.

Mac.
Title: Re: Perseids - Meteor Cam
Post by: Rocket Pooch on Aug 13, 2009, 12:48:17
Hey it worked :-) was that with the 1004x board cam?

Chris
Title: Re: Perseids - Meteor Cam
Post by: JohnP on Aug 13, 2009, 13:49:03
Yep - it was indeed... Software/ camera work well - I have 5 or 6 vids of metoers I can show you. Had it all set up on one of the 'little Dell's' down the shed running till 4am unattended.. Would be good to get a more sensitive camera though.

John