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Astronomy => Astrophotography => Topic started by: Carole on Dec 30, 2017, 11:22:47

Title: Horsehead nebula from Bromley 2nd try
Post by: Carole on Dec 30, 2017, 11:22:47
Further to my other thread, I have reprocessed the RGB data removing as much gradient as I could and I think I have made a better job of it this time.  Still unable to use the Luminance. 

Same info as before:
Ha 21 x 900secs + 10 x 600secs - Almost 7 hours
RGB 32 x 150 binned total 1hour 20mins
Grand total 8 1/4 hours
SW130PDS & Atik460EX, HEQ5

(https://cdn.astrobin.com/thumbs/czVJ8wRug1HQ_1824x0_vEFfvLwC.jpg)
Title: Re: Horsehead nebula from Bromley 2nd try
Post by: The Thing on Dec 30, 2017, 13:35:11
This is looking good Carole. It's never going to look as smooth as a monochrome frame with the RGB added, you've got some nice Ha detail and it's interesting to compare the dust below the Horsehead to my slightly over MMT transformed version.
Title: Re: Horsehead nebula from Bromley 2nd try
Post by: Carole on Dec 30, 2017, 13:42:34
Thanks Duncan, I guess I am never going to get the detail you have managed from my location.  Trouble is getting to a dark site in the winter is not really easy.

Carole
Title: Re: Horsehead nebula from Bromley 2nd try
Post by: Carole on Dec 30, 2017, 17:26:33
I forgot to mention. 

The target went behind next door's tree and I was waiting for the guiding or imaging to go weird before I stopped it (as I was indoors doing it remotely).  Was very surprised to find that with one exception, the guiding managed to keep going as did the images.  The branches are quite thin, so I guess the 900sec exposures evened themselves out, but I was surprised that the guiding didn't throw a hissy fit.

So that was interesting.

Carole
Title: Re: Horsehead nebula from Bromley 2nd try
Post by: JohnP on Jan 01, 2018, 11:50:21
Blimey that is amazing from Bromley Carole - well done & shows just what can still be done despite the light pollution - John
Title: Re: Horsehead nebula from Bromley 2nd try
Post by: The Thing on Jan 01, 2018, 13:03:23
Just a thought Carole, you've got lots of detail in the emission nebulae but a lot less in the reflection nebulae. This must be because you have a lot of Ha data compared to RGB, maybe you could up the percentage of RGB and spend a little less time on the Ha? As I only shoot RGB I have found lots and lots of shorter subs have improved my images no end - 300s vs. 120s, half the subs in my latest stack were done with light pollution and only a UV-IR filter and these are mixed with subs taken after 'lights out' at 23:00 CET (I'm very lucky on that front!) but because of the number of subs it doesn't seem to matter too much.
Title: Re: Horsehead nebula from Bromley 2nd try
Post by: Carole on Jan 01, 2018, 14:36:39
Thanks very much John.

QuoteJust a thought Carole, you've got lots of detail in the emission nebulae but a lot less in the reflection nebulae. This must be because you have a lot of Ha data compared to RGB, maybe you could up the percentage of RGB and spend a little less time on the Ha? As I only shoot RGB I have found lots and lots of shorter subs have improved my images no end - 300s vs. 120s, half the subs in my latest stack were done with light pollution and only a UV-IR filter and these are mixed with subs taken after 'lights out' at 23:00 CET (I'm very lucky on that front!) but because of the number of subs it doesn't seem to matter too much.

The reason I didn't take so much RGB Duncan is because I tried it while the Moon was up, and the data was quite awful, so had to wait until the Moon had disappeared and then I only had a short window before the HH disappeared behind the trees.  On the 2nd night, I didn't have that window as with the Moon coming up that much later that cut it down to even less, but then clouds came in anyway. 

I must confess, that I have a LP filter, but because I do so little RGB from Bromley, I keep forgetting to put it on.  So this was done entirely without a LP filter, which of course doesn't matter for the Ha.

Lastly, I would have got more detail on the emission nebula if I could have used Luminance as well, but I started to take it but it was quite awful. 

If I get a chance I will try to get Luminance and some more RGB using a LP filter, though how effective it will be with LED lighting I am not sure, but there is probably still a lot of sodium lighting around as some nights I look at the sky with averted vision, and the whole sky looks red.

Thanks for the thoughts though, gives me something to think about.

Carole

Title: Re: Horsehead nebula from Bromley 2nd try
Post by: The Thing on Jan 02, 2018, 10:37:52
Ah yes Carole, but plenty of awful data can add up to a decent image in the end. Hence why I now try to take 100+ short subs rather than 30 long ones.
Title: Re: Horsehead nebula from Bromley 2nd try
Post by: Carole on Jan 02, 2018, 12:04:06
I'll post up the rubbish Luminance to give you some idea of what I am talking about. 

I am taking shorter RGB these days, I find 150secs binned works quite well.

BRB

Carole
Title: Re: Horsehead nebula from Bromley 2nd try
Post by: Carole on Jan 02, 2018, 12:27:03
This is 3 x 600secs Luminance.  After examining the subs I decided to give up capturing any more.

(https://cdn.astrobin.com/thumbs/YnYHZFh7bUSb_620x0_vEFfvLwC.jpg)
Title: Re: Horsehead nebula from Bromley 2nd try
Post by: MarkS on Jan 02, 2018, 22:50:14
Which night did you take them?

If the moon was out then there's no surprise you have gradients.

Mark
Title: Re: Horsehead nebula from Bromley 2nd try
Post by: Carole on Jan 02, 2018, 22:56:52
I waited until after the Moon had set Mark to take the RGB and Luminance.

Carole